This is a REALLY bad take - WAN Show October 23 , 2020

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Timestamps (Courtesy of Michael O'Brien):
00:00:00 - Stream Start!
00:00:08 - And welcome to the WAN Show ladies and gentlemen
00:00:21 - Topic #2: Danish retailer on RTX 3000 supply (Jump to 00:32:50)
00:00:47 - Topic #3: Alleged RX 6800 benchmarks (Jump to 00:49:01)
00:00:53 - Topic #1: Tweets on the streaming industry (Jump to 00:03:25)
00:01:11 - Topic #4: Intel sold NAND business unit (Jump to 00:51:41)
00:01:42 - [Tepid] Intro
00:02:12 - Unofficial Topic #1: People Giving Linus Crap
00:03:29 - Topic #1: [Alex Hutchinson] @BangBangClick's Twitter Comments
00:04:07 - The meat of the topic
00:05:05 - Linus back with the meme moments...
00:05:06 - Luke's take
00:09:14 - Linus' take
00:12:43 - Streaming isn't the complete context
00:15:15 - How the Industry reacted
00:17:09 - But the EULA...
00:18:30 - Let's not forget about Fair Use w/ anecdote
00:23:10 - It is not cut and dry
00:25:50 - Summary of argument
00:26:45 - And L&L's assessment of Alex Hutchinson's tweet?
00:28:53 - Sponsors!
00:28:57 - Honey -
00:30:22 - Wondershare PDFelement - 50% off, link in description
00:31:57 - Redux -
00:32:50 - Topic #2: Proshop, Danish retailer fulfillment stats
00:33:08 - RTX 3090 stats
00:34:12 - RTX 3080 stats
00:34:46 - RTX 3070 stats, despite embargo
00:36:53 - Manufacturing bottleneck behind the delay
00:38:17 - Linus' opinion on the topic
00:39:59 - In all seriousness though...
00:43:53 - NCIS Story Time! - Gather 'round the Pentium 4 space heater, kids
00:48:45 - Back to UT #1 :p
00:49:01 - Topic #3: Alleged RX 6800 benchmarks
00:50:20 - Luke's hot take
00:51:41 - Topic #4: Intel sold NAND business unit
00:51:41 - Details of sale & reasoning
00:53:27 - Unofficial Topic #2: Secret Shopper is BACK!
00:54:03 - SI's are: iBuyPower, CyberPower, Dell, HP, Main Gear, and Origin PCs
00:58:10 - 2nd stealth giveaway details...
00:59:13 - New entries, Lon.TV & Craft Computing
00:59:34 - Craft Computing shot out (someone else want to tell me what the other is?)
01:00:14 - Unofficial Topic #3: Loot Box Lawsuits
01:00:31 - The thoughts on the topic
01:02:39 - Uofficial Topic #4: McBroken
01:04:35 - Superchats!
01:04:58 - Linus can't adopt you
01:05:31 - DMCA & Copyright Policy
01:11:10 - LMG is hiring -
01:12:56 - Bye!
01:12:59 - Outtro!

  • "They weren't wrong, but they were stupid" That sums up a lot of the decisions made by the gaming industry.

    Dulcie JuanaDulcie Juana17 小时 前
  • f

    Advait ShuklaAdvait Shukla6 天 前
  • I honestly am surprised that they are so surprised that a Google employee would have such a bigoted opinion. It's yet another symptom of a long running cultural problem of elitism at Google. They actually think that user feedback doesn't matter because they know better, this is so obvious in the latest changes to their products. They're worse than Apple because they have the elitist bigotry but they aren't open about it and lie about it unlike Apple.

    awesomeferretawesomeferret8 天 前
  • His new twitter bio is "creative director at staida games and entertainment Montreal"

    Ender AssassinEnder Assassin12 天 前
  • Proshop is for the Whole Scandinavia btw, not just Denmark.

    Declared SnowDeclared Snow16 天 前
  • "I know NOTHING about Lithuanian copyright law" what!? The hell have I been watching this channel for for the past six years if not the reviews of Lithuanian copyright cases?? Seriously Linus.

    Pepijn KrijnsenPepijn Krijnsen16 天 前
  • I'm a Pixel Art Streamer and my stream was taken down for DARAWING MARIO!

    Kanav SethiKanav Sethi18 天 前
  • Stadia wont exist in 1 year. Google kills off everything.

    NickNick18 天 前
  • A game that falls under fair use? Minecraft 😂 A game that probably lost sales because people streamed it? Minecraft Story Mode.

    Peter SchumacherPeter Schumacher20 天 前
  • Nobody: Linus: "I like the D"

    Ben KorpellaBen Korpella22 天 前
  • remote working might be a factor, but still Luke talks more when his co-host is not Linus

    deep hazarikadeep hazarika22 天 前
  • LINUS I NEED TO KNOW there is a program that you can download its meant for office spaces called ASTER able to use multiple screens with other hardware such as 2 mouse and keyboards CAN IT RUN 2 GAMES AT ONCE ?? or instead of mouse and keyboards for instance 2 controllers maybe ??!!

    Robert CollinsRobert Collins22 天 前
  • Don't sit in a video card queue, just try to get a Gundam card instead and....sit in that queue instead....???

    ISOHavenISOHaven23 天 前
  • RTX 30 series ship numbers. So we're just going to pretend that Covid isn't a thing? For the past 7 months just about everything I've ordered (keyboard, mice, routers, whatever) has been at least 3 months out.

    ISOHavenISOHaven23 天 前
  • I love how youtube claims they don't get involved when they literally get involved. When someone files a claim through youtube I can see youtube turning off that vid (or whatever) but once the original poster replies with NO then youtube should do as they claim, reverse it, back off and don't get involved. The "notice" went out, it did it's job. Now let the claimant go to court and make their argument.

    ISOHavenISOHaven23 天 前
  • Day 122 of asking for a PC thanks 😁👍

    DavidDavid23 天 前
  • I miss Luke on LTT

    GregGreg24 天 前
  • You guys gotta prepare a little better...

    Tyler WTyler W25 天 前
  • 8:09 - I find it funny that the person complaining that streamers should pay the game devs for the privilege of streaming their games is going to stream a game.

    ReatuKrentorReatuKrentor25 天 前
  • The McDonald's Icecream bot, is the hero we needed this year.

    Grant ChristnachtGrant Christnacht25 天 前
  • Even story driven games like FireWatch support streaming because it garners sales more than not.

    Bound4EarthBound4Earth25 天 前
  • I wonder what the odds are that the last "golden ticket" t-shirt is sitting in someone's house waiting to be opened on Christmas.

    Luke BentleyLuke Bentley25 天 前
  • I have to convert PDF to excel all of the time for work. One of my customers sends their invoices in PDF format and we need an excel file to consolidate and transfer to our system.

    Jeff ChadrickJeff Chadrick25 天 前
  • 1:11:44 Hell yeah I love benchmarking stuff.

    Antonie van der MeerAntonie van der Meer25 天 前
  • "Sorry I had something really stupid caught in my throat" - absolute stitches

    LeonLeon25 天 前
  • Who even cares about this Nvidia stuff? Adults with to much money for something so unimportant in life sure are crying a lot.

    halvars90halvars9025 天 前
  • Heres the problem, streamers and youtubers can't afford to pay for large amounts of music liscense and theres not enough money to be made selling to this demographic by record labels and music streaming services. Like seriously why would they even bother? How much money would they actually make from a more accessible system for streamers and youtubers? It would only decrease the amount of money they make from companies that can actually pay for music like advertising firms, streaming services, tv and film studios, and radio. You can't devalue your product for one group but not the others.

    liquidletheliquidlethe25 天 前
  • On top of my other comment you’re the reason I don’t buy a lot of products. You should be taxed for that too. You need a tiny hand tax too. 90%

    Jack DeezJack Deez26 天 前
  • Linus you buy an 800$ graphics card and talk about it. Make tons of money. You should be taxed by the retailer 40% in that case. We know you don’t pay for anything you get you just tiny hand job it away from the retailer and make tons of money. I do like you and your channel but if streamers get taxed I hope you get massively taxed.

    Jack DeezJack Deez26 天 前
  • Your point about single player games is mute... look at SW Jedi Fallen Order... if the single player game is good enough, no matter if people stream it, other people will want to buy and play it. Wanting a license to stream a game I've purchased just makes you greedy! Go work for EA.

    Lost CosmosLost Cosmos26 天 前
  • Thats not fair use, you use the phrase ncis and that’s a tv show

    josh sandersonjosh sanderson26 天 前
  • @30:20 You'd want to create a PDF from excel if you use excel for book keeping and use it to generate invoices. That way you can send people PDFs of the invoice that can't be edited by them. Maybe there's a better way to do that but it's what I've used for 15 years and I'm not changing now.

    IRMacGuyverIRMacGuyver26 天 前
  • It's pretty obvious that he doesn't see the artist as having a right to claim copyright on a fan art of his character. It's a very common belief that fan art isn't covered by fair use or any other clause that gives the artist credit since it's not their original creation from scratch.

    IRMacGuyverIRMacGuyver26 天 前
  • I watched a playthrough of Remedy's _Control_ so I could stay in the loop with the GOTY conversation. I never expected to be able to play it on NSwitch. Now it's possible to stream it to NSwitch but I don't have the motivation to buy it myself. I see where the devs are coming from.

    Shilvio D. LintonShilvio D. Linton26 天 前
  • I heard before that fair use is a defence, not a right.

    EdenGodlyEdenGodly26 天 前
  • A comment on the narrative story heavy game streams: Honestly out of all types of games, I'm most inclined to NOT watch a narrative game on stream, or perhaps watch the first episode only and then buy it myself, specifically because I don't want to experience it in a streamed format. I'm doing that right now with Amnesia Rebirth, which isn't even a narrative-only game, there's a lot of horror-spook value you get out of playing horror games that you don't necessarily get out of watching it. I'm gonna buy the game, play it, and then watch my favorite streamers play it later. I don't think that's so unusual for streaming fans, really, especially for games like that.

    DeinonychusCowboyDeinonychusCowboy27 天 前
  • Music on youtube currently works like you stream just as anyone else, but immediately after you finished streaming you put the archive members only. That is the only way to not get copy strikes.

    Arnold Tóth IsaszegiArnold Tóth Isaszegi27 天 前
  • Linus, you need to revisit poco phone f1. Believe me! Especially we just got miui 12. One of my best purchase ever. In europe there are no ads on the phone, they are just charged a bit extra when I bought it. Ofc it's not the best of the best but honestly a really good phone. 4k60 easy, all of the stuff which was wanky fixed

    Arnold Tóth IsaszegiArnold Tóth Isaszegi27 天 前
  • I hope LTT doesn't get too bloated like rooster teeth

    toby1kenobi1000toby1kenobi100027 天 前
  • Nordic gamers need power!

    Daniel HellqvistDaniel Hellqvist27 天 前
  • When I was streaming persona 4 when it dropped on steam I only streamed the first part of the story and every other time I just streamed the dungeon because the dev asked not to spoil the story for new players

    Sir StimpySir Stimpy27 天 前
  • As another comment on the effect that streaming has on the story or experience of the game. Bithell Games for "Thomas was alone" put a note in there specifically for streamers thanking them for their interest and sharing it. They just requested that they advise the audience that at the halfway point in the game, it's meant to be experienced a certain way and by watching it you may be spoiling it for themselves, etc. etc. That I think is a really good way to reach out to streamers if the developer is worried about their game being spoiled and such.

    Mobius StolzMobius Stolz27 天 前
  • Secret shopper was the best series you have run in years, looking forward to it. Surprised something similar didn't come sooner

    darrennornirondarrennorniron27 天 前
  • The Idea of having music on streams as background music having the same or similar licence to having music in the background of a shop. its not recordable and its not in user control.

    BrittfireBrittfire27 天 前
  • Welp, the one time I superchat, they don’t read them.

    Arvid OlsonArvid Olson27 天 前
  • 49:20

    TrustTrust27 天 前
  • proshop devilers to Scandinavia though.

    Joh447Joh44728 天 前
  • “Fair use” is a defence in copyright infringement. So like Linus said about Nintendo, legally you begin in the “wrong”. The defence is used to make an argument for why you deserve to use the content.

    Jonathan TamJonathan Tam28 天 前
  • Is it just me or just to get back at Nvidia I wanna get the Amd card that’s coming out? I mean u gotta love Nvidia but they need to fix this so people actually get what they put their hard earned money towards

    Just ZippyJust Zippy28 天 前
  • we are already over priced on all our games (some even going as far as hundreds or close to a thousand with all its dlc), let alone a load of them being... Early Access, some half finished, buggy, broken, sold in parts as dlc, some even dropping fixes/balance/ect.. only in their dlc and not in the main portion, microtransactions, abandoned, drop for other store platforms, shitty devs with bad attitudes, some dropping propaganda and politics in their games or 3rd party launchers with the same BS in them, lame EULA's stealing personal data, as well as saying you dont own the game... but only the right to play it and they can take it away for w/e they want, the list goes on..... probably 50% or more of the games on the market wouldnt be as popular or even road the hype train if they didnt get streamed, some never even see the lighht of day because no one noticed them or ever seen it streamed, they should be paying us for the advertisement. no streamer is going to pay any devs to be allowed to stream their game, the douche from stadia who tweeted that BS... is a moron plain and simple, also stadia is trash and always will be.

    mike nothingmike nothing28 天 前
    • adding to this, music is a whole other story... i personally hate having music played on a stream, it ruins the stream because you cant hear the streamer and/or the game, some of them play that BS way to loud. just stop playing music, its not needed.

      mike nothingmike nothing28 天 前
  • What if the cons outweigh the pros of owning an idea?

    Scott SwainScott Swain28 天 前
  • Just so you know Proshop does not only supply Denmark but also Germany Poland, Norway, Sweden, Finland Austria So it's not that small a Market

    Ulrik PedersenUlrik Pedersen28 天 前
  • Even when it comes to streaming single player narrative games I think there are 3 major types of viewers: "I have no particular interest in this game, but I want to watch my favorite streamer play something." and they view up to the whole game on stream "I am interested in the game, but to check out if it's worth buying / want to watch my favorite streamer play something" and they view the stream and may or may not make a purchase bsed on the content they see. "I may have purchased this game, but instead I'll watch my favorite streamer play it" and experience the entire game vicariously through teh streamer. I feel that last type of viewer is very rare, especially when it comes to very long single player games. Sure SOME people might watch every video (that may reach up to 50+ 30 min videos), but i doubt that would ever happen in such a number to convince a significant amount of potential buyers away from buying it. I think if this DOES happen it's usually for a controversial game. That's my take.

    Cova DaxCova Dax28 天 前
  • "It brokey" is that a twomad reference 🤣

    Man With A MicMan With A Mic28 天 前
  • I feel like this is basically like if I buy a car and was forced to pay the car company to post pictures on social media. it's beyond retarded in practice.

    Joh447Joh44728 天 前
  • 40:20 proshop might be danish, but it sells to Sweden, Norway, Finland, Poland, Germany and Austria. That's a market of about 150 million people. So not small potato.

    misiummisium28 天 前
  • Linus, will you be doing a review/unboxing for the ASUS Gundam edition stuffs?

    CYTrevorCYTrevor28 天 前
  • I hear Lithuania I press "LIKE". NICE! Best regards from Lithuania

    Paulius AleliūnasPaulius Aleliūnas28 天 前
  • Is it possible to C&D the stadia guy for his use of the art?

    TheFormalMooshroomTheFormalMooshroom28 天 前
  • Yakuza series comes to mind for a game that is narrative heavy and thus the story could be restricted. But if it was only the combat and mini games then I think it would be fine

    KamoGamingKamoGaming28 天 前
  • Give Puget systems a run through the secret shopper gauntlet.

    D WD W28 天 前
  • This gaming crap reminds me of metallinapsters

    mikrokosmosmikrokosmos28 天 前
  • I learnt a lot about games.... so many different ways games can be appreciated - thanks for opening my eyes a bit :)

    Richard PeckRichard Peck28 天 前
  • Adored TV is awesome

    PickeringSamuelPickeringSamuel28 天 前
  • Regarding converting a PDF to Excel - which Linus seemed rather baffled by. In the logistics industry where e.g. purchase orders/packing lists (containing a list of items and item information) are sometimes sent between companies in PDF form. Being able to convert that to Excel for upload to an internal system, instead of manually copying or (god forbid) transcribing the values is an EXTREMELY valuable tool. (Why this information is sent in PDF form in the first place usually involves antiquated technology/practices and a resistance to change)

    Tim TschumyTim Tschumy28 天 前
  • GG Nivida?

    Albert ZhenAlbert Zhen28 天 前
  • “why would you want to convert excel to PDF and PDF to excel” Electronic Medical Records systems. It’s as cumbersome as it sounds.

    Pwadigy the OddityPwadigy the Oddity28 天 前
  • Jensen's kitchen looks like an office desk :-p

    GaryTheBusmanGaryTheBusman28 天 前
  • Cringiest live chat of al time lol. Nothing but spamming a 5 year old meme. Y'all got any moderation?

    brokntosterbrokntoster28 天 前
  • You need to do an episode on ad hoc mesh networks (and LTE direct, PoSe Proximity Service), there are so much innovative tech you should talk about instead of building yet another gaming pc with the same boring specs or watercooling some kind of electronics no one cares about.

    WetaWeta28 天 前
  • Yo Linus is stoned

    Eric James Flonominal CromptonEric James Flonominal Crompton28 天 前
  • I keep thinking that Microsoft Teams notification sound came from my laptop. Opening it to be confused that there's no new messages.

    Andin Aditya RahmanAndin Aditya Rahman28 天 前
  • If you buy a game, aren't you also buying a license to play it? Not every streamer gets their games for free; certainly not the smaller channels. And then bigger channels get sent games by developers explicitly to play. Hutchinson is a bit of a dumbass.

    Dylan RichardsDylan Richards28 天 前
  • For some reason I still looked at the job listings even though I don't live in Vancouver and they couldn't afford me anyway.

    Grey HodgeGrey Hodge29 天 前
  • did anyone else sit there trying to work out who messaged them on teams? (facepalm)

    mugsymugsy29 天 前
  • The thing that gets me is that Alex mentions not paying for the game... But for a lot of people who didn't get a promotion copy, they did purchase the game in order to stream it. ~shrugs~ Man it is a bad take...

    ShukuunShukuun29 天 前
  • For the idea of lttstore being a pc store you could secretly put up your stuff you don’t need on the store

    Beck BarnhardtBeck Barnhardt29 天 前
  • I'm glad that y'all explained the fair use laws. Things like this seem to be like the wild west, at least for now. (To be clear, I can only speak for American law) But, in the end, whatever the court decides is the law for that particular incident. (Unless you appeal I guess?)

    Wesley MercerWesley Mercer29 天 前
  • Good thing minecraft doesnt care about people playing their game and making videos on them

    Pat MCPat MC29 天 前
  • "I believe the word for this is, 'oof,' as the kids say... or 'big oof'" linus you're aging yourself so much more than you need to

    Shadowtrot / CAUShadowtrot / CAU29 天 前
    • That's the joke

      DuglerDugler27 天 前
    • Wat

      XenzorXenzor27 天 前
  • I completely and utterly disagree with the idea that music cannot be transformed by visuals. There are several songs that I hated until I saw a music video of it. And typically the video was fan-made rather than of the official one.

    LainK1978LainK197829 天 前
  • 1:08:20 - it can work that way, for example see EDM lyrics. great example is this - /watch?v=xl4ozrTuQE0 It was even complemented by music creator. So yeah, you can make that argument IMHO in some scenarios, but what do I know.

    .,|by010|,..,|by010|,.29 天 前
  • Sometimes you have old documents or drawings with tables in scanned PDF form and it really helps to be able to get them into excel automagically

    0megasamurai0megasamurai29 天 前
  • Someone teach linus how to mute notifications

    The Deviant Developer IDW PodcastThe Deviant Developer IDW Podcast29 天 前
  • Kitchen is awful, expensive with no taste. The cooker has never been used.

    The Deviant Developer IDW PodcastThe Deviant Developer IDW Podcast29 天 前
  • you guys realize by simply buying nvidia cards you legitimize and condone this behaviour by simply FUNDING THIS PRACTICE. stop being stupid and funding them or stop bitching about it when they treat customers like this. if i were to make an analogy here; this is literally like feeding the hand that SLAPS you, every. single. time.

    hmmmmm2555hmmmmm255529 天 前
  • Micro transactions have no place in games you pay for

    craziedzombiecraziedzombie29 天 前
  • for the license stuff I watched all of henry stickman but I still paid for the collection has I loved the work and detail and wanted to support it but have not played it myself I know it may not or maybe it is common place to do it but that s how I felt about it

    martin16kmartin16k29 天 前
  • Linus !!! Can tech industry start speaking up about lack of anti cheat on pc? Pc online gaming is getting destroyed at moment due to lack of anti cheat. Bfv is so bad now its unplayable..level 500 cheaters u report for a year and nothing happens. Contacted ea with complaint and proof of cheaters and they say press report button...complete joke.ea yells about bf6 ....after cheater infested bfv EAbcan eat my shorts.

    StarlordStarlord29 天 前
  • There is only one Anthony.

    TheOmegaAlfaTheOmegaAlfa29 天 前
  • McDonalds employees jumping at the opportunity to explain why ice cream machines are "broken" is like Yen Sid from Kingdom Hearts jumping at the opportunity to explain what his name spelled backwards is

    Richard RobertsonRichard Robertson29 天 前
  • When are the LTT mouse pads going to come out? I see it on short circuit every day.

    Michael RistauMichael Ristau29 天 前
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  • Half of the games I play are because of the videos/highlights I watch from streamers that also upload on CNworld. Edit: Not to mention that 2/3 of the time Im watching the streamer and his friends being idiots rather than the game/gameplay.

    Stanimir RankovskiStanimir Rankovski29 天 前
  • Walking simulators are not even really a game. Especially ones that only take a couple hours to even get through. So that is incredibly niche and no actual evidence showing their sales hurt cuz people watch a streamer play a game. Also there are plenty of single player games that get streamed and still sell well enough or most times even better

    craziedzombiecraziedzombie29 天 前
  • 14:10 - Long single player games like that need preorders and backing during the development phase. Look at Cyan worlds (creators of Myst, Riven, Obduction and so on). The games get TOTALLY ruined by someone streaming it, since its main element is to figure things out. They create games based on pre backing. Their next game Firmament looks great. So yes. Its possible to create games like that, but you need to start building up hype BEFORE the game is out and start selling the game before people get spoiled on the internet. People who preorder or preback a game like that will try to avoid getting spoiled by things online when its released.

    CyoorCyoor29 天 前
  • I am pretty sure Proshop ships to all Nordic countries, or atleast Scandinavia. I bought my graphics card from their Swedish site. If you count only scandinavian population it's around 21 million.

    Adam GAdam G29 天 前
  • For that first discussion that's basically what happened with me. I watched fire watch streams and ended up not buying it cause I got like 80% of the game from just watching. Cool game. But no reason to get the game now.

    T LT L29 天 前
  • Big oof is back.

    Cory RobinsonCory Robinson29 天 前
  • We knew that 3080 Jensen pulled from the oven was half-baked.

    Derek ReynoldsDerek Reynolds29 天 前